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	<title>Comments on: Ogg Vorbis and Maemo 5; technical standpoint</title>
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		<title>By: FelipeC</title>
		<link>http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/ogg-vorbis-and-maemo-5-technical-standpoint/#comment-4809</link>
		<dc:creator>FelipeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 11:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@flimsy that has nothing to do with technical matters, there are other places to discuss that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@flimsy that has nothing to do with technical matters, there are other places to discuss that.</p>
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		<title>By: Flimsy</title>
		<link>http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/ogg-vorbis-and-maemo-5-technical-standpoint/#comment-4806</link>
		<dc:creator>Flimsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is odd to me that the cheapest (free!), best defined and codec with best reference implementations is NOT the default choice.

Even my cheap iRiver does OGG and Flac out of the box perfectly.

If you&#039;re going to use patented, closed-source codecs you might as well do the whole Apple mistake and go iTunes; because who doesn&#039;t want an overly complex, proprietary, non-free, non-standard solution? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is odd to me that the cheapest (free!), best defined and codec with best reference implementations is NOT the default choice.</p>
<p>Even my cheap iRiver does OGG and Flac out of the box perfectly.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to use patented, closed-source codecs you might as well do the whole Apple mistake and go iTunes; because who doesn&#8217;t want an overly complex, proprietary, non-free, non-standard solution? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: FelipeC</title>
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		<dc:creator>FelipeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 09:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilson: define support. Maemo devices can play Ogg Vorbis just fine. It has been always important in our architecture to support 3rd party codecs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilson: define support. Maemo devices can play Ogg Vorbis just fine. It has been always important in our architecture to support 3rd party codecs.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilson</title>
		<link>http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/ogg-vorbis-and-maemo-5-technical-standpoint/#comment-4460</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will only buy products that support ogg after 4 years using open source. Anything beside opensource is entirely not considered!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will only buy products that support ogg after 4 years using open source. Anything beside opensource is entirely not considered!</p>
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		<title>By: 100,000 views, and some stats &#171; Felipe Contreras</title>
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		<dc:creator>100,000 views, and some stats &#171; Felipe Contreras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ogg Vorbis and Maemo 5; technical standpoint: 1,446 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FelipeC</title>
		<link>http://felipec.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/ogg-vorbis-and-maemo-5-technical-standpoint/#comment-3888</link>
		<dc:creator>FelipeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruno: Android is a platform, companies can take the platform and strip features they don&#039;t use, like Ogg Vorbis support.

I know Android has it, but does the G1 supports it? A quick googling suggest that it does.

A good argument indeed, I&#039;ll be sure to use it as soon as I can :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruno: Android is a platform, companies can take the platform and strip features they don&#8217;t use, like Ogg Vorbis support.</p>
<p>I know Android has it, but does the G1 supports it? A quick googling suggest that it does.</p>
<p>A good argument indeed, I&#8217;ll be sure to use it as soon as I can <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bruno Unna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruno Unna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here goes a &quot;business-oriented&quot; argument: Android-based phones support ogg-vorbis out of the box. How come Nokia doesn&#039;t care about competitors&#039; offer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here goes a &#8220;business-oriented&#8221; argument: Android-based phones support ogg-vorbis out of the box. How come Nokia doesn&#8217;t care about competitors&#8217; offer?</p>
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		<title>By: some1</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; There are no good apps to encode to AAC,
&gt; not every player supports it and so on.
And damn, AAC has bunch of subflavors. AAC-LC is easiest and most supported. However AAC-LC definitely sucks when compared to OGG. AAC-HE? Comparable with OGG. More complex and not each and every device claiming AAC support supports it. AAC Plus? And other kinds? I even have no idea which my devices support &#039;em and which are not. So, what the hell I need all this crap with dozen of sub-formats if I can&#039;t be sure each my device claiming AAC support will play randomly chosen AAC file? I first have to learn &quot;which exactly AAC my device plays&quot; and &quot;what exactly this file is?&quot;. With OGG I have ONE format. Now and forever. There is TONS of device vendors who supports OGG. Nokia however prefers to ignore customer requests and output some moron comments from asses of their damn managers and marketing stuff (ugh, STUFF!). How smart! Hey, Nokia, do you care to explain how it comes that Cowon, Creative and bunch of other vendors can support OGG without fear of any crap and Nokia can not?Ignoring user&#039;s requests surely sucks!Why the hell I should remember to Nokia than customer is always right? It is I am, the customer who pays moneys. Why Nokia ignores popular customer requests, then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; There are no good apps to encode to AAC,<br />
&gt; not every player supports it and so on.<br />
And damn, AAC has bunch of subflavors. AAC-LC is easiest and most supported. However AAC-LC definitely sucks when compared to OGG. AAC-HE? Comparable with OGG. More complex and not each and every device claiming AAC support supports it. AAC Plus? And other kinds? I even have no idea which my devices support &#8216;em and which are not. So, what the hell I need all this crap with dozen of sub-formats if I can&#8217;t be sure each my device claiming AAC support will play randomly chosen AAC file? I first have to learn &#8220;which exactly AAC my device plays&#8221; and &#8220;what exactly this file is?&#8221;. With OGG I have ONE format. Now and forever. There is TONS of device vendors who supports OGG. Nokia however prefers to ignore customer requests and output some moron comments from asses of their damn managers and marketing stuff (ugh, STUFF!). How smart! Hey, Nokia, do you care to explain how it comes that Cowon, Creative and bunch of other vendors can support OGG without fear of any crap and Nokia can not?Ignoring user&#8217;s requests surely sucks!Why the hell I should remember to Nokia than customer is always right? It is I am, the customer who pays moneys. Why Nokia ignores popular customer requests, then?</p>
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		<title>By: zap</title>
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		<dc:creator>zap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because a) lots of people already has ogg content; b) AAC is not a free codec and c) the quality issues may be debated endlessly, but everybody will remain with his own opinion.

AAC is a pariah in the opensource world due to its patented nature. There are no good apps to encode to AAC, not every player supports it and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because a) lots of people already has ogg content; b) AAC is not a free codec and c) the quality issues may be debated endlessly, but everybody will remain with his own opinion.</p>
<p>AAC is a pariah in the opensource world due to its patented nature. There are no good apps to encode to AAC, not every player supports it and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why Ogg? and not AAC?
They are both equally good for Low Bitrate. I know it is debatable. But let just say they are equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why Ogg? and not AAC?<br />
They are both equally good for Low Bitrate. I know it is debatable. But let just say they are equal.</p>
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