msn-pecan 0.0.14 released
This release features a couple of nasty bug-fixes, but mostly it’s a request for Debian packaging, although there are also changes for Adium support.
Important changes:
- Disconnect fix; now it does disconnect, this was introduced in 0.0.13
- HTTP method crash fix; this probably has quite some time
- Re-adding a contact crash fix; very specific situation
Devid Antonio Filoni has joined us as the Ubuntu maintainer, and has setup a launchpad project here. So hopefully packages for Ubuntu will appear there soon.
On a related note I just moved the repository of a sister project, libgmsn, from subversion to git. I started libgmsn to provide a libpurple free msnp implementation, but I never really managed to get anything real done. So probably I will implement offline messages in libgmsn and move the code to msn-pecan when it’s ready. If you are interested in the code check it here.
So, get it from the usual place.
Cheers 
Whoa! How did the DLL get to be so big?
Kahlil Robinson
June 19, 2008 at 4:54
Ah, I forgot to strip it. Fixed now.
FelipeC
June 19, 2008 at 7:06
Upgraded, using Windows version. Thanks!
Eerik
June 19, 2008 at 13:30
thanks! i discover ur site thanks to comment to Mono Blogs!
Your work is wonderful!
and pidgin original support is pretty outdated!
Daniel
June 20, 2008 at 21:04
I have just had some bad luck with this version, and wondering if you can assist me in trying to recover from it.
After installing the new plugin I was using it and it appeared to be working fine, however later on I tried renaming/creating a new group and moving a few contacts around, at some point during this my whole MSN contact list has been removed from the server, and it appears that I have been de-authenticated from my contacts as well
Any assistance you can provide is greatly appreciated.
Cameron
June 21, 2008 at 15:31
Cameron, what do you mean by de-authenticated?
Please create a bug report following the guideline in the FAQ, I will help you figure out this issue.
FelipeC
June 21, 2008 at 18:43
Hi Felipe, my contact list has been reduced from 100 to less than 10… the contacts still exist on my local list, I have tried toggling the use server-side alias but no luck.
I tried deleting my blist.xml and I got a flood of requests when I logged back in asking me if I wanted to add all my contacts back, but only a handful of them appear online to me, when in fact many of them are online.
Feel free to email me to dicsuss this further, im not sure what to file this under, or if you would like me to send you the bug report files directly?
Cheers.
Cameron
June 22, 2008 at 3:48
No offense FelipeC, but I don’t find your alternative MSN protocol plugin to be much better than the default MSN protocol plugin that comes with Pidgin. Everything works exactly the same way that it did with the default plugin, except for I can now see my contacts personal messages. Offline messaging is not supported, invisible chatting is not supported and there are no fast file-transfers yet.
I really hope that you improve this mediocre (at best) MSN protocol plugin. You have my hope. I’m only being a little harsh so I can push your butt to make a good plugin.
Jonathan
June 28, 2008 at 14:02
I forgot to mention that the MSN protocol still doesn’t want to connect 1/4 of the time with your plugin just like it does with the original MSN plugin.
Jonathan
June 28, 2008 at 14:05
Jonathan: the official msn plugin has lots of issues for different people, the code needs to be reorganized in order to properly fix all the major issues, that’s what I’m doing.
However, on the way I’m also implementing new features.
The difference is that I listen to the users. If you have an issue with msn-pecan, please report it: http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/issues/list
FelipeC
June 28, 2008 at 14:22
Sorry for being a little harsh.
How long will we have to wait before we see offline messaging, invisible chat and fast file-transfers approximately?
Jonathan
June 28, 2008 at 19:21
FelipeC, can you please answer me. You said that the difference is that you “listen to the users”, you are definitely not displaying this by ignoring my last comment.
When do you think your plugin will be ‘fully evolved?’
Jonathan
June 30, 2008 at 19:22
Jonathan: I appreciate comments in my blog and try to answer them as much as I can, but if you feel you must get an answer then the mailing list is the best place to ask.
Right now I’m focusing on stabilizing msn-pecan for Adium, I believe that’s a higher priority right now and I’m sure most msn-pecan users would understand.
I’m doing this in my free-time so I can’t tell you when the features will be ready, but I can tell you the next feature is offline messaging support as it’s the most voted feature request.
FelipeC
June 30, 2008 at 20:07
Oh, and I try to make it easy for people to contribute, so if my time allocation doesn’t suit you, you can get your hands dirty.
FelipeC
June 30, 2008 at 20:09
Why is MSN-Pecan for Adium a higher priority? I am unfortunately one of the few people who don’t understand.
Jonathan
June 30, 2008 at 23:40
Because they are already in beta releases for 1.3, they have put effort into improving msn-pecan, and they have a much bigger user-base than what msn-pecan currently has.
It seems you don’t understand how open source works. A big user-base is important because it helps to detect issues and grab possible contributors.
They are discovering and properly reporting critical issues, the fixes are helping everyone. Critical issues have priority.
FelipeC
July 1, 2008 at 0:45
FelipeC, Compliments for this beautiful project. Keep up the good work!
Jan-Jaap
July 1, 2008 at 12:22
FelipeC, you should actually abandon further work on MSN Pecan. I tried out the current test version of Miranda IM and it’s superior to Pidgin. You just don’t get all the eye-candy that comes with Pidgin, that’s all.
Jonathan
July 1, 2008 at 18:32
Jonathan: msn-pecan is not just for Pidgin, it will be a separate library that can be used for other IM clients.
I’m not going to answer you anymore as you are not bringing any constructive comments.
FelipeC
July 1, 2008 at 18:52
You should try out Miranda IM Felipe.
Jonathan
July 1, 2008 at 20:08
Jonathan, please stop visiting this blog and go frustrate the developers at another random project (http://arandomproject.com) instead if you want to be a nuisance. It’s because of the attitude you display that many great initiatives die.
Thanks for the time you’re spending on this, Felipe; being an open source software developer myself, i know how frustrating it can be when people start demanding things but never contribute anything. Heads up for the approach you’re taking with msn-pecan.
bram
July 2, 2008 at 11:18
FelipeC, you are doing a great job for pidgin users. I check for msn-pecan update everyday. Hope to see offline messaging and invisible chatting in new versions.
Pidgin includes msnp14 source codes (not officially supported yet) since version 2.4.2, the developer is Ma Yuan. Is is possible that you two work together to make msn protocol better? At least you can learn from each other.
Thank you again for your msn-pecan.
Inarus
July 3, 2008 at 5:00
Inarus: AFAIK Ma-Yuan did part of the msnp14 implementation, but more people took the job and they almost finish msnp15 support.
The problem is that I don’t agree with the way they did it, besides there are many things in the core of the code that need improvements. The code can be simplified to make it more maintainable and avoid potential bugs, that’s what I’m trying to do.
They are just fixing bugs.
FelipeC
July 3, 2008 at 7:17
Hey, Nice work!
I’ve been using msn-pecan on ubuntu and now I’m using Fedora since 1 week i guess and unfortunately msn-pecan isn’t working…
I’ve downloaded the source, compiled it with “make” and installed it with “make install” just as normal as always (with 0 errors of course), but msn-pecan doesn’t appear as new protocoll at the accounts (WLM)
— installed rpms —
libpurple.x86_64 2.4.3-1.fc9 installed
libpurple-devel.x86_64 2.4.3-1.fc9 installed
pidgin.x86_64 2.4.3-1.fc9 installed
pidgin-devel.x86_64 2.4.3-1.fc9 installed
I hope somebody knows what the problem could be. It doesn’t work since he new version of pidgin which fixed the icq support because they just allow icq6 now
Martin
Martin
July 9, 2008 at 13:02
Martin: you can check with “pidgin –debug”, it might mention unresolved symbols on the msn-pecan plugin. In anycase, you might want to make clean and compile again.
FelipeC
July 9, 2008 at 13:41
thx for the fast reply. now I figured the problem out. The msn-pecan plugin copies itself to “/usr/lib/purple-2″ but on my x86_64 machine it belongs to “/usr/lib64/purple-2″ where alle the other pidgin-plugins are stored too.
Martin
July 9, 2008 at 14:07
Hi Felipe, Thanks for a fantastic plugin. I write plugins for Pidgin for Facebook and Skype support, and have exe installers built using nsis that I’d like to contribute so that Msn-pecan can also have an installer. Hopefully that way you’ll also get more windows users and thus a bigger user base for testing
Flick me an email if you’re interested
Eion Robb
July 10, 2008 at 14:01
Omg, Jonathan, please leave, gzzzusz christ men. the only thing you do its ask and ask , and demand and demand again, why dont you help and code, and try to do something real, instead of demanding and demanding.
I hope i got FelipeC patience, but i dont, i cant stand people who demand and demand and do not do anything about nothing, and by god, your are annoying.
Oh, miranda its superior, go ahead, try to be harsh and bash over their blog.
Many thanks Felipe, We need this plugin, and now we see some real progress being done.
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CaLe
CaLe
July 13, 2008 at 21:21
Appreciate your work. However, why not work on telepathy version instead of these? Then the clients of the future would be able to use all that…
troll
July 14, 2008 at 18:48
troll: You can use msn-pecan with telepathy-haze right now.
But yeah, eventually msn-pecan will be a standalone library, with support for both libpurple and telepathy.
FelipeC
July 14, 2008 at 19:16
hey felipe, first of all nice work. Now whats gonna happen win pidgin-pecan now that that pidgin has merge de the msnp15 branch?
Fede
July 15, 2008 at 23:02
Fede: nothing changes, oim is in the works, and next in the queue is fast file transfers.
While msnp15 has more features now, msn-pecan will soon have the features that users want. More importantly it is going to work for everyone (some people with weird proxy setups can’t connect).
And will be standalone library that hopefully soon can be used with Telepathy.
FelipeC
July 15, 2008 at 23:28
hey =)
I really appreciate the work that has gone into this plugin, and having coded a few projects myself, I realize that maintainable, non-monolithic code is pretty important =D
That being said, are there personal issues that are preventing you from directly contributing to Libpurple itself? I did read that you still aren’t able to get write access to the code, which seems a little strange since your plugin works quite well, and doesn’t have nearly as many niggling bugs as the MSNP15 implementation I was playing with =)
It seems a little strange to have two parallel branches when you can get the best of both worlds :S
Abstraction
July 16, 2008 at 4:18
Abstraction: well, I did msn-pecan and most of the msnp9 in libpurple, so I probably know what I’m doing
The libpurple guys and I just don’t get along. I’m going to write a blog post to explain what happened.
FelipeC
July 16, 2008 at 5:38
hi,
i´m a recently user of linux.. i tried msn-pecan with windows vista and always works fine.
now i’m using opensuse11.
is possible to use msn-pecan on suse? and if the answer is “yes” how can a noob like me can make this working?
ps:sorry for the bad English (took me a lot to write this)
Bruno
July 26, 2008 at 17:45
Great work Felipe!
Looking forward to the offline messaging and showing server-side alias features to come.
SeeN
July 29, 2008 at 15:54
Thanks, appreciate your work.
Looks like this will become a lean mean msn machine… … …
PeterPedal
August 25, 2008 at 12:23
How do I get this plugin installed on a windows?
Do we have an exe or something?
CJ
August 28, 2008 at 9:17
Don’t worry, I found it.
No problems with the plugin yet.
I’m glad I can now see personal messages.
CJ
August 28, 2008 at 9:32
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March 20, 2009 at 1:57
How can I install msn-pecan on Pidgin Portable (for Windows) from PortableApps.com?
When I try to install .exe package it says it cannot find a Pidgin installation. Of course setup fails.
Any ideas? Can I have just standalone (w/o setup exe) binary and some howto?
Celes
June 8, 2009 at 10:12
Celes I just updated the instructions to add Pidgin Portable:
http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/wiki/HowToInstall
FelipeC
June 8, 2009 at 10:47