Comments on: Gaim/Pidgin rants, MSN history http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/ Personal blog of Felipe Contreras Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:17:30 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: 100,000 views, and some stats « Felipe Contreras http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-4293 100,000 views, and some stats « Felipe Contreras Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:57:22 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-4293 [...] Gaim/Pidgin rants, MSN history: 2,985 [...] [...] Gaim/Pidgin rants, MSN history: 2,985 [...]

]]> By: FelipeC http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1256 FelipeC Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:09:16 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1256 I left the P2P file transfer half implemented. The code is there but commented, I don't remember how well it worked, probably there would be some corner cases that would make it crash. It shouldn't be so difficult to fix it, but devs are interested in other things. Most Pidgin devs hate MSN, and the few ones that work on it are working to make MSNP14 work. IMHO that's a major pain in the ass to try to do it in C, so I'm not sure how well that's going to work. A fork of Pidgin is too much, but I have thought on making an independent MSN module. I have several ideas in mind, but I don't have enough time. I'll work a little bit on my Ruby code, maybe soon it will be ready. I left the P2P file transfer half implemented. The code is there but commented, I don’t remember how well it worked, probably there would be some corner cases that would make it crash. It shouldn’t be so difficult to fix it, but devs are interested in other things.

Most Pidgin devs hate MSN, and the few ones that work on it are working to make MSNP14 work. IMHO that’s a major pain in the ass to try to do it in C, so I’m not sure how well that’s going to work.

A fork of Pidgin is too much, but I have thought on making an independent MSN module. I have several ideas in mind, but I don’t have enough time.

I’ll work a little bit on my Ruby code, maybe soon it will be ready.

]]> By: Yildirim http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1252 Yildirim Sun, 15 Jul 2007 06:00:36 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1252 Hi felipe. Thank you for your contributions. I agree with you in that the development of pidgin is really slow.. I would like to know if your big patch also fixed the msn transfer speed issue? Here is a post I made a couple of days ago, tired of waiting for the devs to fix the msn speed issue. http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=35177 You seem to know alot of things and have ideas of improving pidgin, why dont you start a fork of pidgin and be the head developer, in this way you can do as you like? great work, and thanks again. Hi felipe.

Thank you for your contributions. I agree with you in that the development of pidgin is really slow.. I would like to know if your big patch also fixed the msn transfer speed issue?

Here is a post I made a couple of days ago, tired of waiting for the devs to fix the msn speed issue.

http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=35177

You seem to know alot of things and have ideas of improving pidgin, why dont you start a fork of pidgin and be the head developer, in this way you can do as you like?

great work, and thanks again.

]]> By: FelipeC http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1247 FelipeC Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:08:38 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1247 I can only give you my experience. I think I did pretty good contributions, and nobody ever told me about the Gaim->Pidgin rename, I found out just like everyone else. I think the rename is not just for commercial marketing stuff, but it also helps to revitalize the project and bring new contributors. Probably the project is more open now, but in essence things will stay the same. You will not be able to criticize the guts of Pidgin nor it's God. You'll better look into other projects. I'll post something about how to get started with Telepathy. It has been always complicated to me. You need to understand quite a few things. Unless you install everything in /usr or distribution already comes with it ;) I can only give you my experience. I think I did pretty good contributions, and nobody ever told me about the Gaim->Pidgin rename, I found out just like everyone else.

I think the rename is not just for commercial marketing stuff, but it also helps to revitalize the project and bring new contributors.

Probably the project is more open now, but in essence things will stay the same. You will not be able to criticize the guts of Pidgin nor it’s God. You’ll better look into other projects.

I’ll post something about how to get started with Telepathy. It has been always complicated to me. You need to understand quite a few things. Unless you install everything in /usr or distribution already comes with it ;)

]]> By: David http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1233 David Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:30:35 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1233 I personally think it scandalous that the gaim project was taken over and renamed (branded) solely to provide it's new trade mark owners rights for merchandizing and book sales... Don't get me wrong, it is important for open-source projects to find their revenue streams to keep the good work going, but what about the original founders/authors of Gaim and the numerous contributors? I mean, was Sean elected to be the Gaim God or was it more of a coup (reinforced by Google and his Wikipedia page)? I think I'll check out Telepathy now... I personally think it scandalous that the gaim project was taken over and renamed (branded) solely to provide it’s new trade mark owners rights for merchandizing and book sales… Don’t get me wrong, it is important for open-source projects to find their revenue streams to keep the good work going, but what about the original founders/authors of Gaim and the numerous contributors? I mean, was Sean elected to be the Gaim God or was it more of a coup (reinforced by Google and his Wikipedia page)? I think I’ll check out Telepathy now…

]]> By: ColdWind http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1005 ColdWind Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:18:35 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-1005 So... see you in Telepathy ;-) So… see you in Telepathy ;-)

]]> By: mibus http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-858 mibus Sat, 05 May 2007 22:51:03 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-858 Hey! Thanks for the thanks :) On behalf of everybody who used your and ChipX86's work on the MSN prpl, *thankyou*. I left Gaim dev myself for big reasons - my time was becoming far more constrained (moving to full-time work, starting a family) - and I was also becoming increasingly frustrated with upstream (especially when ChipX86 became less involved and the process started getting harder!) These days I too am looking at the Telepathy project - Felipe, I think you should make your Ruby MSN library into a telepathy protocol plugin! If it ends up being better than telepathy-butterfly, then everybody will switch. If not, at least it will encourage code-sharing and competition :) For those interested in starting with Telepathy, Debian (and I think ubuntu) have gossip-telepathy and the some of the various telepathy protocols available. The python-backed MSN plugin should be fairly easy to develop, especially given you don't have to continually recompile and re-run the whole app! (PS. Hi Felipe! Long time no see :) Hey! Thanks for the thanks :)

On behalf of everybody who used your and ChipX86’s work on the MSN prpl, *thankyou*.

I left Gaim dev myself for big reasons – my time was becoming far more constrained (moving to full-time work, starting a family) – and I was also becoming increasingly frustrated with upstream (especially when ChipX86 became less involved and the process started getting harder!)

These days I too am looking at the Telepathy project – Felipe, I think you should make your Ruby MSN library into a telepathy protocol plugin! If it ends up being better than telepathy-butterfly, then everybody will switch. If not, at least it will encourage code-sharing and competition :)

For those interested in starting with Telepathy, Debian (and I think ubuntu) have gossip-telepathy and the some of the various telepathy protocols available. The python-backed MSN plugin should be fairly easy to develop, especially given you don’t have to continually recompile and re-run the whole app!

(PS. Hi Felipe! Long time no see :)

]]> By: MattW http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-857 MattW Sat, 05 May 2007 21:47:10 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-857 I think you're right about Telepathy... it seems to me to be extremely exciting in terms of its use as an IM framework. I need to start mucking around with these in-development clients and see if I can make any contributions. I think you’re right about Telepathy… it seems to me to be extremely exciting in terms of its use as an IM framework. I need to start mucking around with these in-development clients and see if I can make any contributions.

]]> By: felipec http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-853 felipec Wed, 02 May 2007 13:44:16 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-853 Hehe, thanks, it's not that wonderful, but it works... mostly. The thing is that Gaim has really bad management. With a little more motivation I would still be fixing bugs, but now I think it's a waste of time. I'll rather work on pymsn, but I have other priorities right now (my todo list is huge). Hehe, thanks, it’s not that wonderful, but it works… mostly.

The thing is that Gaim has really bad management. With a little more motivation I would still be fixing bugs, but now I think it’s a waste of time.

I’ll rather work on pymsn, but I have other priorities right now (my todo list is huge).

]]> By: Ali Sabil http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-848 Ali Sabil Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:22:24 +0000 http://felipec.wordpress.com/2007/04/28/gaimpidgin-rants-msn-history/#comment-848 Sometimes things are not as bright as we wish them to be. Although many people may ignore what you have done for the MSN support on Gaim, the few ones who do know how wonderful your work is :) Sometimes things are not as bright as we wish them to be. Although many people may ignore what you have done for the MSN support on Gaim, the few ones who do know how wonderful your work is :)

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